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the entire boy scout experience has become incredibly watered down and tedious. there are little to no standards enforced and progression through the ranks to eagle is now just a function of patience and willingness to jump through hoops. it used to be excellent, and some groups still are, but on the whole it's TTT in steep decline.


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I’d say this on top of overhead from Council. Everything is really expensive. And the fundraisers are terrible. Girl Scouts only get like 60 cents per box of cookies, but everyone buys a ton. No one wants $30 for one small tub of popcorn.


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i respectfully disagree. scouting is really not geared towards earning eagle. the rare few ever do (even in boom times we're talking about 1%-2% not segregating mormons who basically force their young men to earn eagle. if not for them, it would be something absurdly small). the program--in the main--was always designed for the boy to "pass thru". the trail to eagle for those who stayed. the first class program was meant to give a set of skills for responsible citizenry and life skills. i don't think the decline is a function at all of the program. it's a function of the single parent household, overextended parents, inability for households with multiple children to get childcare. etc. it's a function of the changing face of the family in america. kids love scouting. but if there are no adult leaders, there are no packs or troops. the summer camps are FULL. full, full, full. so it's not a boy problem or a program problem. it's a leadership at a local level problem.


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and i missed the big point. coeducation allows parents who would otherwise stay home because they got a kid who can't participate to come in and become leaders because they have 2 kids in the program. there was a lot of research done on this and wasn't hasty.


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That's sad. I was really looking forward to having my boy join the scouts when he reaches age. Should i start volunteering now, or would that be weird?


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I'm an eagle scout. I no longer participate in BSA and haven't for quite some time. Between the time that I was a scout (late 80s to mid 90s) and the time that I stopped participating (12 years ago), I noticed that the organization was being slowly taken over by neckbeard dorks masquerading a capable men. When neckbeard dorks infiltrate a space (MLS soccer fan groups are a good example), they tend to start watering everything down and overall pussifying the whole experience. They also bring their women along and, of course, their kids. Scouts has become completely uncool (not that it was very cool 20 years ago). Boys who play sports, chase girls and overall have social skills and opportunities are not participating in scouts anymore.


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I feel like Cub Scouts is a TTT introduction to scouting, and plays a huge part in actively discouraging participation in Boy Scouts. I distinctly remember having a *mom* as our Cub Scout den leader in late 80's/early 90's, which in hindsight was a fucking terrible situation that should not have been permitted.

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>> I don't really have any idea what historical Cub Scout participation figures are, but I'm guessing that BSA started pushing Cub Scouts harder in the late 70's/early 80's as a strategy to try to increase overall scouting participation, and it just ended up massively backfiring on them. <<

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